APPROVED
TOWN OF
PLANNING BOARD MEETING
The Vice Chairman, Peter McNamara
called the meeting to order at
The Secretary, Bill Scanzani, called the roll:
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PRESENT: |
Peter McNamara, Bill Scanzani, Gael Ouellette, Robin Bousa, Alternate Bob Yarmo, Planning Director Will D’Andrea |
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ABSENT: |
Paddy Culbert, Henry DeLuca, Selectmen Representative Victor Danevich, Alternate Raymond Brunelle |
Mr. McNamara noted that there
were five members of the Board present, but due to recusals, there would be a
problem hearing the agenda item Map 1 Lot 5-104, 113,115 – Sousa Realty &
Development – Lawrence Corner – Proposed 20-Lot Subdivision – Court Ordered
Remand. Attorney Brad Westgate, (
Mr. McNamara informed that Mr. Yarmo would be voting in Mr. DeLuca’s absence.
ADMINITRATIVE
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Mr. D’Andrea informed that the Board could not take action due to a problem with abutter notification because the applicant did not meet the required fifteen day submittal.
There was no representative present.
Mr. D’Andrea said that abutter
notification could be done in time for the
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Mr. D’Andrea said there had been a question regarding the construction of the 100ft. section onto Benoit Avenue Extension; a site walk had been scheduled and performed.
Mr. Scanzani reviewed the file
and noted that bond reductions had already been done. He said that TF Moran had calculated the bond
reduction by taking 10% off the already reduced amount, rather than from the bond
original amount. The original bond
amount was $248,500, which was reduced to $174,200 on
Mr. D’Andrea asked if there was a
question at the site walk regarding the bonding of the remaining section of
roadway. Mr. Yarmo answered yes; there
was a question as to what assurance the Town would have that the portion of the
stub would be bonded. He believed that
Mr. Gauthier would be responsible. There
was a brief discussion regarding who would be responsible for the 100ft. section
of the road and what the approximate cost would be to do the paving. It was believed that $10,000 would be an
adequate amount to complete the stub roadway work.
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MOTION: |
(Scanzani/Yarmo) With regard to
Map 7 Lot 4-180-14 – Two M Construction – Benoit Avenue Extension, based upon
the site, the calculation of the Town Engineer (TF Moran) is rejected; instead
$24,850 (10% of the original bond) plus an additional $10,000 (to bond the
stub) totaling $34,850 shall be retained; the $10,000 will be eligible to go
back to the development as soon as the entire new subdivision bond is in
place for the road if it gets extended. |
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VOTE: |
(5-0-0) The motion carried. |
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Mr. Scanzani said the Town voted
to accept the road. He discussed the
site and suggested that the Board consider reviewing subdivisions and areas of
the sites from a ‘finished’ standpoint and make recommendations (i.e. retaining
walls). Mr. D’Andrea was unsure if the
bond included additional work. The Town
Engineer and the Town Road Agent reviewed the roads prior to them recommending
acceptance at Town Meeting. Mr. Scanzani
said the current retained amount is $22,100.
Mr. D’Andrea’s recommendation was to release the full bond amount.
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MOTION: |
(Yarmo/Ouellette) To release
the entire bond amount of $22,100 with regard to Map 8 Lot 9-63 – |
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VOTE: |
(5-0-0) The motion carried. |
NEW BUSINESS
Map 38 Lot 1-153 – Nealt (Gagnon) –
Mr. Scanzani read the list of abutters aloud. There were no persons present who did not have their name read, or who had a problem with notification. The file did not contain any written correspondence from abutters.
Mr. Mike Grainger of Grainger
Engineering,
Ms. Bousa asked if the site distance measurements were performed in conformance with ASHTO. Mr. Grainger believed they were.
Mr. McNamara confirmed that the test pits and perk test area were located in the 4K area. Mr. Grainger answered yes. He said the plan had been forwarded to DES for their approval number. Mr. McNamara asked if there were any problems with wetlands on the property. Mr. Grainger said there were no wetlands on the property.
There was no public input.
Ms. Bousa suggested that a condition of approval be based upon receipt of the DOT permit.
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MOTION: |
(Scanzani/Ouellette) To accept
the plan for consideration. |
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VOTE: |
(5-0-0) The motion carried. |
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MOTION: |
(Scanzani/Bousa) To approve the
plan subject to the applicant obtaining the state driveway permits. |
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VOTE: |
(5-0-0) The motion carried. |
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Mr. Scanzani read the list of abutters aloud. There were no persons present who did not have their name read, or who had a problem with notification. The file did not contain any written correspondence from abutters.
Mr. Wes Aspinwall, land surveyor with Herbert Associates, representing the applicant, presented the plan to the Board. He reviewed the location of the lot and explained in the past that there had been a cul-de-sac, which was later revised through a previous subdivision. The applicant’s intention is to retain a lot with 1.2 acres containing an existing house and retaining an additional lot with approximately two acres. Mr. Aspinwall then reviewed the topography of the parcel. He said the subdivision had been approved by the state for both lots, with copies sent to the Town. He then discussed the soil types that had been delineated by Gove Environmental. Mr. Aspinwall went on to review the calculated frontage for the existing lot and the proposed because there had been a question if the parcel conformed to the Town’s regulation of 200ft. of frontage. He said the frontage was separated between two Town roads and when the Zoning Officer was questioned, his initial opinion was that the lot did not comply because of the split in the calculation. He said the zoning ordinances did not call for the frontage to be contiguous. Mr. McNamara said that zoning had been amended. Mr. Aspinwall said the zoning changed subsequent to the plan being reviewed by the Zoning Board of Adjustment (‘BOA’). He said as a result of the opinion that the lot did not comply; the applicant filed an Appeal of Administrative Decision and a Variance request with the BOA. He said that the BOA’s opinion was that the right-of-way was viable and that the proposed lot conformed to the letter of regulation in the Zoning Ordinance. He said the BOA issued an opinion that the lot was conforming and therefore asked that the appeal and variance request be withdrawn, which the applicant did.
Mr. McNamara, who is also a member of the BOA, recalled that the BOA’s decision was based on the fact that the right-of-way was public, and therefore had 200 contiguous feet. He said the Planning Director may now have information that the right-of-way was not public. In Mr. Aspinwall’s opinion the roadway was dedicated from an original plan based upon it being listed as a future road plus a utility right-of-way.
Mr. Scanzani reviewed the
subdivision approval done in 1998 and noted that the area of the right-of-way
was not included in the deed for ML 9-146-7, but was included on the plan for
ML 9-146-7. He said it’s the deed that
indicates what a property owner owns and the fact that the right-of-way is
shown to be part of the lot (on the plan) indicates that the plan should be
updated. Mr. Aspinwall discussed the
original subdivision plan done for Mr. Gordon Holmes in September, 1981. He said that the 1981 plan showed the
right-of-way established. He then
reviewed the subdivision plan done in 1997/1998 which showed a dashed line and
said graphically the plan was the same.
Mr. Scanzani noted that a planning board could not obligate a future
board to its decision. He believed in
1981 the right-of-way was added as a potential road, which was never put in
because the road ended as a cul-de-sac; in 1997/1998 a future planning board
approved additional subdivisions in the area and either decided that the
right-of-way was not needed anymore, or when the plan was recorded, it was done
without showing the right-of-way from the previous plan. Mr. Scanzani argued that the deed was what
the property owner owned, and the right-of-way still existed as a public
right-of-way. He said a right-of-way
that was that was given to the Town through a previously approved subdivision
could not be taken away from the Town by a subsequent planning board,
jurisdiction of a signature, or not being engineered into a later plan. Mr. Scanzani said the question now is does
the applicant meet the other requirements in zoning for contiguous frontage,
which in his opinion did not. Mr.
McNamara said that the BOA determined that the frontage was contiguous. Mr. D’Andrea said that the BOA clarified the
appeal for the lot having frontage, but also contemplated that the Planning
Board might require the applicant to make improvements to the right-of-way to
bring it up to standards. Mr. Scanzani
felt the right-of-way should be brought up to specifications and connected to
Moeckel. Mr. Aspinwall pointed out that
there was currently a direct connection to Moeckel and didn’t see the practicality
of an additional connection. He said
that lot 7 may have detriment being boxed in by a road system. Mr. Scanzani felt the only other option would
be for the applicant to go back to the BOA for a frontage variance. Ms. Bousa agreed. Mr. D’Andrea read a portion of the
Mr. Aspinwall contended to the Board that proper frontage could be calculated based on the current layout of the road and right-of-way. Mr. Yarmo noted that the portion of the right-of-way did not belong to the lot.
Ms. Bousa reviewed the language
for the right-of-way, which specifically states that it is for utilities and
future road. She felt if there was no
intention of building a road it could not be frontage. She questioned why the right-of-way would be
kept if a road was not going to be built; why not give the right-of-way back
and adjust the lot line to provide the frontage. Mr. Scanzani provided his recollection of the
Gordon Height’s subdivision, which he believed was the only subdivision where the
electric utilities were allowed to come in from Public Service rather than
There was a brief discussion regarding the road asymmetry and the location of the right-of-way.
Ms. Bousa said she had some concern regarding the location of the proposed house being four feet from the WCD. It was also noted that the footprint for the proposed house was small, which could pose a problem during construction. Mr. Aspinwall said they would propose the addition a silt fence along the WCD and could stake out the proposed location. Mr. Yarmo suggested rotating the house and possibly making the plan site specific to keep functioning space between the structure and the WCD. He asked if a dredge and fill permit would be required. Mr. Aspinwall said there would be no wetland impact. Mr. D’Andrea noted that the WCD would be crossed by the proposed driveway, which would require review by the Conservation Commission.
Mr. Yarmo didn’t feel that the lot met the frontage requirements. There was further discussion regarding the position of the right-of-way and what footage was needed to obtain the required 200ft. of frontage. Mr. Aspinwall showed the Town owned portion of the road, which cold not be changed without a release from the Selectmen. He asked if the Board could request Town Counsel’s opinion.
The Board discussed the options – 1) send to BOA with letter and not accept the plan at this time; 2) say in affect, that there is 200ft. of frontage and accept the plan for consideration; or 3) accept for consideration and send the plan to Town Counsel for advice. Mr. Scanzani made a motion to accept the plan for consideration; there was no second. He then suggested that a letter be sent to the BOA indicating that the Board saw the extenuating circumstances and agreed that the applicant should have the lot approved based upon the lack of frontage, but currently did not meet the requirement.
The consensus of the Board was that the applicant would need to go to the BOA to request a variance for frontage. Mr. Scanzani suggested that Mr. D’Andrea send a letter on behalf of the Planning Board indicating the extenuating circumstances based upon the right-of-way and the roads as well as a description of the action of the 1997 planning board. He believed there were two options, either withdraw the application and meet with the BOA, or deny the plan; either way, the abutters would have to be re-notified. Mr. Aspinwall disagreed with the Board regarding the frontage, which he felt was there. He agreed to withdraw the application, meet with the BOA and return to the Planning Board with the BOA decision.
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Mr. Scanzani reviewed the file and was unable to locate the green registered mail confirmation receipts. He was not comfortable hearing the case until the file contained confirmation of abutter notification. Mr. Wes Aspinwall, land surveyor with Herbert Associates, representing the applicant asked if the case could be continued to the next meeting if the green cards were found. There was a brief discussion regarding what action would be taken. Mr. D’Andrea said he could go to the Planning Office and see if the green cards were there.
The Board moved to the next case. See below for action regarding this application.
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It was noted that the green registered mail confirmation receipts were not located in the file. Mr. D’Andrea went to the Planning Department to see if the green cards were there.
The Board moved to the next case. See below for action regarding this application.
OLD BUSINESS
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Mr. Matt Hamor of Meisner Brem
Corporation, representing the applicant, met with the Board and discussed the
proposed subdivision. He noted that the
applicant had been before the Board in January, 2003. He said when
Mr. McNamara confirmed that the
applicant was before the Board in January, 2003 and questioned if the plan had
subsequently been withdrawn. Mr. Hamor
said the subdivision had been tabled; the applicant obtained the permit from
the state and re-notified all the abutters for the current meeting. Mr. Scanzani reviewed the file for the last
action taken and recommended that the plan be treated as a new application
under New Business. Ms. Bousa asked if
the abutter list was up-to-date. Mr.
Scanzani said the abutter notifications were re-sent out on
There was a discussion regarding
when the plan first came before the Planning Board (March, 2003) and it was
noted that the Board had not seen anything since the
Mr. Scanzani reviewed the timeline of the application – January 22, 2003 original completed application submitted; February 6, 2003 original hearing scheduled, but not heard (possible busy month for Board); March 3, 2003 accepted plan for consideration; May 5, 2003 still discussing application and withdrawn. He reiterated his belief that the application should be under New Business and file a new plan.
Attorney Bernard Campbell of
Beaumont & Campbell Professional Association appeared with the engineer on
behalf of the applicant representing the applicant, asked what motion the Board
made on
Mr. Scanzani reviewed the file
and reiterated that the only motion taken by the Board was on
Mr. McNamara said the problem was
the length of time. He said if the
application was continued indefinitely it would have had to come back to the Board
for further continuation. Attorney
Ms. Bousa asked what date the
letter from the applicant with the word ‘tabled’ in it was received. Mr. D’Andrea said the request from the
applicant came in writing the same day as the meeting (
Mr. D’Andrea asked if the Board
wanted to consider the same application that was before the Board of Adjustment
because the plan did not comply with the 200ft. frontage requirement. He noted that the plan was different from that
presented to the Board of Adjustment in 2003.
Mr. Scanzani asked if the Planning Board was having a conceptual
discussion since the current plan did not have the required 200ft. of frontage,
and it had not been granted a variance.
Attorney
Mr. Scanzani said in the future he didn’t want a plan coming before the Planning Board that didn’t meet zoning. He was willing to make a motion stating such. Mr. Hamor said the reason the plan was before the Planning Board with regard to the regulation in connection with reduced frontage and back lots. Mr. McNamara recalled that the lot was left out of a previously approved subdivision because of the concerns with water, drainage and adjacency issues. He said it was those questions that sent the plan from the Board of Adjustment to the Planning Board.
Attorney
Mr. McNamara asked if the
applicant agreed that in order for the Board to accept the plan a variance
would have to be in place. Attorney
Mr. D’Andrea said because the only formal action on the application was to formally accept it (which the Board did); he said the Board could deny the original plan due to the frontage requirements not being met and then proceed with a conceptual discussion regarding the current plan being presented.
Ms. Ouellette asked what the procedure was when an applicant withdrew a plan. Mr. D’Andrea said the applicant would have to come back with a new plan. Ms. Ouellette asked if the Board would need to make a motion for withdrawal. Mr. D’Andrea said it depended on the board, but most boards would just accept the withdrawal. Ms. Ouellette believed that the Board, when given the information from the former Planning Director, accepted the withdrawal of the plan.
Mr. Scanzani reviewed the type of action a board may take to conduct a conceptual discussion and what is allowed to be discussed. There was a question regarding the abutter list and if a new list was obtained for the current meeting. Mr. Hamor said the abutter list was pulled approximately four or five weeks ago.
Attorney
Mr. Yarmo didn’t believe that there were any conceptual comments to be made, just site specific, or design.
Attorney
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As continued from above.
Mr. Scanzani read the list of abutters aloud. There were no persons present who did not have their name read, or who had a problem with notification. The file did not contain any written correspondence from abutters.
Mr. Wes Aspinwall, land surveyor
with Herbert Associates, representing the applicant, discussed the proposed
subdivision with the Board. He said
Mr. McNamara asked if the lots
were part of the original development on
Mr. Yarmo asked if the topography on the plan represented virgin land, or filled land. Mr. Aspinwall believed the topography showed partial regrading, and partial natural grading. Mr. McNamara asked if the topography showed the current conditions of the land. Mr. Aspinwall believed it did.
Mr. Yarmo questioned if the lot, in the initial subdivision due to slopes and grades was retained as a double lot. He wanted to know if the slopes had been rectified by grading/filling from the cuts and fills from the road. Mr. Aspinwall was unsure because the original subdivision was done some time in the past. Mr. D’Andrea said the original subdivision could be reviewed.
Mr. Scanzani asked what the
sloping was for the lots. Mr. Aspinwall
reviewed the proposed plan and said toward the front of the lots were ‘B’ slope
(8%-15%) the back of the lots were steeper.
Mr. Scanzani questioned how the lots fell under the regulations based on
the high intensity soil needing more acreage.
Mr. Aspinwall discussed how the lots would drain. Mr. Scanzani discussed the slopes of the lots
based upon the proposed plan and questioned again if more acreage would be
needed due to the steep slopes. Mr.
Aspinwall went back to the plan and discussed the sloping of the lot
further. Mr. Scanzani suggested that the
Board walk the site. The Board
agreed. Mr. Scanzani then suggested that
the meeting minutes be reviewed from when the
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MOTION: |
(Scanzani/Yarmo) To accept the
plan for consideration. |
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VOTE: |
(5-0-0) The motion carried. |
PUBLIC INPUT
Ms. Jennifer Blake noted that her name on the abutters list (Jennifer Walker) was incorrect. She said her home was purchased with the belief that the lot in question was a one home lot, not a two home lot. She and her husband had concerns regarding the lot being aesthetically pleasing. She noted that the lot was very sloped and was unsure how two homes could be constructed. Ms. Blake ended by telling the Board that part of her view would be ruined if the homes were allowed. Mr. McNamara said the Board would set up a site walk that she and her husband would be welcome to attend.
Ms. Bousa asked that Mr. D’Andrea check with the Board of Selectmen regarding a subdivision off Mammoth Road that caused a lot of runoff on two properties that abut Mammoth Road. She believed that there had been formal complaints to the Selectmen.
The Board scheduled a site walk
for
The plan was date specified to May 3, 2004 meeting.
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Mr. Scanzani read the list of abutters aloud. There were no persons present who did not have their name read, or who had a problem with notification. The file did not contain any written correspondence from abutters.
Mr. Dave Brouillet of Herbert
Associates, representing the applicant met with the Board to discussed the
proposed plan. He began by circulating a
copy of the current as-built and site plan (signed by the Board
It was understood that the original plan had been modified, and the applicant was now before the Board requesting additional modifications. The modifications Mr. Brouillet was aware of were the turn-around area and the retaining wall. Mr. Scanzani had no problem with the Fire Department’s modification as long as a letter was submitted to the Board the Fire Department’s approval of such. However, he had a problem with the retaining wall being eliminated because of the slope going down to the wetland area being in excess of the Town’s regulations of 3-1. He said there was siltation in the wetland area. He said one of the reasons for the retaining wall was so that there wouldn’t be a steep slope next to a wetland area. Mr. Brouillet said a challenge they had was during the process of construction they were getting advice/direction from Town officials regarding the construction; he questioned who had authority under the site plan regulations because it was not clear what changes had to come back before the Board. Mr. Scanzani said typically the Board had allowed the Planning Director to make minor changes and decisions in the field, but he did not feel that a planning director had the right to waive Town regulations.
Mr. Yarmo asked where the retaining wall was deleted. Mr. Brouillet reviewed the proposed plan. Mr. Yarmo said there was not a lot of planting and questioned if it would be added. Mr. D’Andrea said the retaining wall was added to keep runoff in the WCD. Ms. Ouellette said the current condition of the WCD was a mess because of the amount of siltation. Mr. Yarmo confirmed that regrading would be done behind the retaining wall to lessen the slope. He asked if the area could be re-planted. Mr. Scanzani said the current slope was narrow and could not be planted. Mr. Brouillet understood the Board’s concerns and suggested that the slope could be stabilized and constructed properly which would minimize the erosion. He said a retaining wall could be constructed, but the area would still not be stabilized. He asked that the Board provide guidance.
The Board discussed the proposed and the reasons that the retaining wall had been added to the plan initially. Mr. Brouillet said he had not seen the site, but asked if he would be allowed to come back before the Board with solutions to some of the problems. He asked if the Board would be open to alternate solutions, or if the only wanted a retaining wall. Mr. Scanzani said he could not be convinced that anything other than a retaining wall would meet the requirements and the Board’s goal of staying out of the WCD. Mr. Brouillet asked if the only way to meet the objectives was to construct a retaining wall. Mr. Scanzani said the only objective that would meet the requirements of the original plan that was signed, that the Board decided on, would be a retaining wall. Mr.,. McNamara said he would be open, but would need to be convinced. He also noted that the applicant would be coming back at their own risk. Mr. Yarmo said he would also be open to suggestions, but would need to be convinced that the final product would be better, from an environmental standpoint for protecting the wetlands. Mr. Brouillet said there were other methods that would meet the encroachment and erosion control requirements.
Ms. Bousa asked if the 10ft. bypass shoulder was built. Mr. Brouillet said he would check.
The plan was date specified to
the
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Due to the meeting running late,
the plan was date specified to the
Map 39 Lot 6-179 – 128 Realty Corporation –
Due to the meeting running late,
the plan was date specified to the
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Due to the meeting running late,
the plan was date specified to the
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Per the applicant’s request (see
above for discussion) the case was date specified to
MINUTES
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MOTION: |
(Scanzani/Ouellette) To approve
the |
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VOTE: |
(3-0-2) The motion carried. Ms. Bousa and Mr. Yarmo abstained. |
DATE SPECIFIED CASES
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SITE WALK
MISCELLANEOUS DISCUSSION
Mr. D’Andrea informed that
Thursday,
Mr. Scanzani discussed the fact
that the electric company was notifying communities per state statute that
herbicides would be used along the power lines for defoliation. He said that Pelham had been notified that
the herbicide would be used to clear the brush under the power lines and
questioned if there was an alternative to using the herbicide. Safety is a concern for things such as
wetlands, wildlife, water supply and drinking water. After a brief discussion, it was decided that
Mr. Scanzani would draft a letter for Mr. Culbert to sign that would be forwarded to the Board of
Health and Selectmen outlining the concerns and requesting investigation of
rights regarding alternate ways of clearing brush.
REQUEST FOR NON-PUBLIC SESSION
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MOTION: |
(Scanzani/Ouellette) Request for a non-public session per RSA 91-A:3,II, e (Legal) |
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ROLL CALL: |
Mr. McNamara-Yes; Mr. Scanzani-Yes; Ms. Ouellette-Yes; Ms. Bousa-Yes; Mr. Yarmo-Yes |
Mr. McNamara noted that the Board would not take any other action publicly; the minutes of the non-public session would be sealed at the conclusion of the non-public session.
ADJOURNMENT
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MOTION: |
(Yarmo/Scanzani) To adjourn the
meeting. |
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VOTE: |
(5-0-0) The
motion carried. |
The public meeting was adjourned
at approximately
The Board entered into non-public
session at approximately
Respectfully submitted,
Charity A. L. Willis
Recording Secretary